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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Aug 18, 2010 8:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what DON'T you like about em'?

Love the last paragraph. That's exactly what I was thinking. I've been playing a fair amount of music lately with people in the room who are completely unfamiliar with the band -- not even American, hence no preconceptions or stereotypes about the Dead -- and I do find that I notice off-key or just "off" vocals. I don't know if it's off-putting to them, but I tend to think it must be.

(BTW, I had this one going last night, and the eerie-spacy Dark Star did get an interesting reaction: "Is that film music?" I do think THAT was off-putting, but in that case, I don't really care, LOL ...

http://www.archive.org/details/gd70-01-02.early-late.sbd.cotsman.18120.sbeok.shnf )

Anyway, on the vocals. Paradoxically, part of what I love about the band is precisely that whole warts-and-all aspect. The rawness. The fact that the vocals, at their best, have personality rather than polish. And yes, the fact that a relatively small group of people "get it" ... I have to confess there's a kind of smugness to that.

I remember feeling conflicted and even a bit put out around '85 or so when, all of a sudden, it seemed there were tie-dyed Dead shirts sprouting everywhere. I lived in the local hippie 'hood, yet even there, the Dead had always been very much a minority taste ... and yeah, part of me liked it that way. So the sudden mushrooming felt like a bit of a violation. I think it was a bit pre-Touchhead, but maybe I'm wrong.

Anyway, in the General Dislike category, I generally echo what others have said, plus:

-- I can't STAND what they did in later years to the Other One with the Darth Vader-and-the-chipmunks effects;

-- Donna's sudden caterwauling appearances, particularly on PITBs (amazingly, no one has mentioned this yet);

-- as the years progressed, the set lists became too predictable, in terms of what they played when;

-- as I've said before, I don't like many covers of hit songs, particularly the Beatles, but they also overdid the Dylan (I'd specify pop rock covers, not folk or country or blues). I think this was a sign of their flagging inspiration.

I'm actually not bothered by the flubbed lyrics or Banshee Bob. Just part of the warts-and-all charm. But then, I don't mind a bit of humor mixed in with the SYF moments. Not that I listen to songs looking for the perfect HYAAAAAH, but still, it's got ... well, personality. And I do like that.

Quote of the day: "Imperfection is beauty, madness is genius, and it's better to be absolutely ridiculous than absolutely boring." -- Marilyn Monroe (how's that for quoting a Famous Intellectual?)








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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Aug 19, 2010 8:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what DON'T you like about em'?

I agree with your take on the vocals - I personally don't mind because the music typically makes up for vocal histrionics, mumbles, or frog gargling tacks type of thing but in general I avoid putting on shows from 82-86 and 91-95 when I have friends hanging out.

And yes, after a particularly smoking Playin' in the Band winds down and Donna starts wailing I kind of look around to make sure everyone is okay. Sometimes I gotta change the music after one of those events just because I don't want people to be bracing themselves for one of these unexpected blood curtling screams because they hear Grateful Dead.

Incidentally, I just heard the perfect HYAAAAAH. It comes just after CC Rider bursts into double time, which I have never heard them do before.http://www.archive.org/details/gd1981-12-05.nak.cm.300.109393.sbeok.flac16

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Aug 19, 2010 1:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what DON'T you like about em'?


>Incidentally, I just heard the perfect HYAAAAAH. It comes just after CC Rider bursts into double time, which I have never heard them do before.http://www.archive.org/details/gd1981-12-05.nak.cm.300.109393.sbeok.flac16


Wow, I just listened to that - how strange! I agree the first HYAAAAA is quite pristine :)

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Aug 19, 2010 9:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what DON'T you like about em'?

I'd say '83 is before Jerry turned into a frog. Still a bunch of good shows that you can bring out in public, IMO. But maybe I'm a bit immunized by exposure. I'd say '84 starts the tack gargling (though it's not like I've listened to every show in '83, so you may be right.) And ya know, there are awkward vocals hiding even in the best of years -- some of which, as you indicated, don't go HYAAAA but instead go EEEEYAAAIIIEEEEAAAIIIAAAH (Playin', playin' in the band ...)

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Aug 19, 2010 12:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what DON'T you like about em'?

I definitely enjoy a great deal of '83 shows... especially ones with Help > Slip > Frank. Actually, 83 was the year that really got me into the 80's sound because of this song revival. I then quietly slipped into 84 with a great deal of enjoyment (Marin shows in late March, early April, Hampton 4/14, Cal Expo, Indianapolis, Worcester and Augusta shows).

But as much as I enjoyed those years, my recent listening to 81 and 82 have been more rewarding with Jerry vocals being far better. More importantly, 80-82 seems to have a lot more of his fluent twangy country blues playing that he developed to some kind of peak in 70-72 before jazzing it up in the latter years. 83, to my ears, has Jerry resorting to a more noodley, shredding style without that focused melodic approach of earlier years.

Of course, like you said, there are plenty of diamonds and rubies in the rough and I love all the eras. When the boys are on, they are ON.

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Poster: Hal R Date: Aug 18, 2010 9:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what DON'T you like about em'?

AltheaRose. I think much of space is like film music and I love it. Jerry and the rest of the band grew up on those cheesy 50's science fiction movies with the weird sound effects, I think that is a bigger influence than the strangeness brought via Phil and T.C. through the unique musical world they lived in.

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Aug 18, 2010 10:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: JG doing film music - zabriskie point

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6_8h64pxTU

not the original film footage but Jerry's playing that he did for the love scene from zabriskie point

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Aug 18, 2010 9:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what DON'T you like about em'?

And that whole film-influenced idea of what "futuristic" should sound like may well have been an influence on Phil, too, though he might not admit it. He was always into sci fi; so was Jerry. Don't know about the others. And TC ... well, he got into Scientology (sheesh), and that's certainly cheesy sci fi, LOL!

This post was modified by AltheaRose on 2010-08-19 04:43:49